What country would you go to?
 

I am interested in hearing everyone's opinion on what country would be best to go to when the collapse happens in the US? I am not interested in staying and fighting.

I have heard arguments for Asia that seem compelling. How about Spain or South America?

What are everyone's thoughts?

Cheers,
Jeff

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Central and South America.

Easier to get to from here, greater sense of morality in their culture and not a prime target on anyone's radar (except Venezuala)

Interested in Patagonia right now and a couple of caribbean islands that come to mind.

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Israel

Might sound stupid or crazy. I am not a jew, but I think that they have the tools and the power to do everything in order for jewish nation to survive. Plus they speak english, security is good, schools are good, food is ok, women are ok, they have water!!!, and climate is like Florida.
Plus the arabs will welcome the gold/silver in exchange for favors.

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No one else would have ya.:bandit: :haha:

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I'd go for Costa Rica. Nice climate all year round....plus I have family living there already.

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You must be joking!! If not, this is far and away the STUPIDEST post I have ever read on GIM!!!!

Israel doesn't have the tools, nor the power to do anything on their own!! Israel receives billions of dollars per year from the United States! Without such funding Israel would be completely helpless, unable to fend itself or feed it's own people! When the United States falls, so does Israel. Israel will be wiped off the map! Israel is public enemy #1. That is the last country I would head to!

You say the security is good?!? Do you have any idea what is going on in the world? There are suicide bombers everyday in Israel! Israel hasn't EVER been able to secure their own borders!!

The arabs will welcome the gold/silver exchange for favors? What are you talking about? You think the Israeli's and the rest of their 1,000 year-long Arab enemies will suddenly get along when the US economy collapses??? You - I'm not even going to continue with this. You can't be older than 12...

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I would take ya in Bro..:rock:

That was good though.... had me laughing...:coolbeer:

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Costa Rica or Belize

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Belize is english speaking. Actually, multi-language, but english is dominant.

It's not as cheap as you might think in terms of living expenses.

But it's great. And if you dive, you already know about the reef.

LikeGreen :smokin:

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I think I would move to lotsapornistan.

You know, right next to slutsinthongistan?

:haha:


I crack myself up.


LG :smokin:

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Thanks for the replies all! It sounds like the consensus is South America. Now it's just a matter of where. I have some in-laws who live in Venzuela so that would be a good stepping stone so to speak. Argentina sounds like a pretty nice place.

Cheers,
Jeff

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Chile has had it's infatuation with communism and fascism already and has the best economy in South America. Doesn't have a permanent minority underclass sucking the country dry.

My Spanish is coming along nicely. I plan on leaving around Aug./Sept.

It's nice to have some friends to speak English with once in awhile and have a little support group. I learned that in Mexico in 2004.

PM me if you want more info.

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Costa Rica or some place like... Nevis. I like the Caribe and central and northern south america. Still close enough to come and visit family as a tourist. Nevis has really nice banking laws for people except americans. I have travelled all over the world, and I do like S'pore, but it is very very expensive there and damn near a police state.
Australia is GREAT but very far away from the COnUS. But close to Malaysia and Indonesia. Guns are issues with the Aussies also., and I do enjoy sport shooting regularly.
English is taught in Costa RIca, but they have only the Fuerza Publico, the national police; they have no military. The US provides military services to CR.
Cuba mihgt actually be a good place to go with money. Start a business. Do banking through Nevis. Large breasted Spanish women. Good food, good cigars, nice people. Just a little on the proverty stricken side right now :(

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Right here for now and once silver hits $100.00 then I'll heading for Silver Island.......don't forget to call me King Ponce the first.

Ponce<-------- silver going to his head.

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I have considered South and Central America. I have relatives in Costa Rica and looked into Belize and Argentina. There would be good work there for me and I speak some Spanish and am quick with languages.

However, I think south is a very bad idea. If TSHTF, being a gringo will be like walking around with a neon target floating over your head and a blinking arrow pointing at your back pocket. IMHO.

I am looking very seriously at Iceland. The winters are warmer than Wyoming. Rated in the top 5 in Free-est countries ( by the way the U.S. is not ). I think their economic problems could be an asset with U.S. dollars. Very low violent crime rate. Cultured, civilized and the women are extremely attractive.

In The Green Before Fifteen
Prag

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"Large breasted Spanish women."

He said breastices, hehehe. :rofl:

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And what makes you guys think that they will take you in ? is not like if you were walking from Mexico into the US with no visa.

The best place to be at WTSHTF for me would be Cuba because they have been living that way for the past 40 years so that they are used to it :bandito:

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I believe several of ya'll have nailed it.....unless you have relative and a support structure already in place, you are going to be a stranger in a strange land.....read that as 'target'. If you have money, you are going to be resented for it, and if you don't have money, you're going to be resented because you are taking someone's work there.

Personally, I'll take my chances right here.

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I gotta go with Andy on this one. We are going to be the most hated country in the world if this crap keeps up much longer. We have lots of places to get lost with plenty of resources. If I were 25 years younger I might feel differently but where you gonna get Wawa coffee in Chile?

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Already there. CANADA

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If you have money, in a lot of places south/central america, foreigners are likely targets for kidnapping.

One of the Argentine posters that I saw a link to, commented that they don't even talk openly about having friends in other countries for fear _they_ will be a target for kidnappers who will figure their rich friends in the other country will have money for ransom.

IIRC, one of them said there were _five_ kidnappings in his neighborhood the previous week - I think he lived in Buesnos Aires.

Alerts about kidnapping now for tourists to Mexico in certain areas -

Kidnapping has been a way of life for some of these people for decades.

Hopefully, some places are better than others

But, I probably would lean more towards Canada, also.

English speaking areas_grin_

Hey, you can actually drive home to visit family/friends if there are any left _grin_

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In reality you can be secure just about anywhere if you know how......in a city I would take over a tall building and the more people that joins my group I would expand into the building next door and so on.

The thing is to know ahead of time what you are going to do and plan ahead, talk to some nuts like yourself then look at the buildings in that area and specially those with no people.....plan ahead as to where you can get some dirt in order to have a garden in the building, water from where, how to defend the building and where to place the guards.

When you find a place that you like and think that you can defend you should then make a walk about and look at the building like if you were going to invade it yourself, make sure that your building is taller than those around yours and that the sun hits the south side of the building (very important).

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Most buildings that I know of have 4 sides. So one is on the south correct? East/West is how my sun travels. How about yours?:aetsch:

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I think people should ask themselves WHY they are leaving and WHO they are getting away from.
Most people that are not 100% under Hollywoods spell understand that people in high places in the US and elsewhere are working together to undermine our freedoms, wealth, privacy, morals and sovereignty.

Our Founding Fathers would roll over in their graves if they knew that this generation would rather run away from the thugs that have taken control than to stay and struggle for their freedoms.

Those who have taken the time to analyze world affairs understand that TPTB are not hindered by borders. You are not escaping anything by leaving.

You will not have the option to struggle for your freedom in a third world country, they are not going to be as tolerant as media has taught us to be towards outsiders trying to assert themselves.

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Iran, I hear they have some cheap real estate near some new nuclear facilities for psuedo Americans.

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Beef? I said "shines on the south side"......I am saying this because you could have some kind of building that would shade your building from the sun, you would need the sun in order to knock down the outside wall of the building in order to have a garden on all floors on that side.

That's where the dirt that I mentioned before would comes into play :bandito:
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Actually the word you used was "hits". But, thanks for clarifying your point. I was all confused.:rofl: :beer:

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My God. A lucid moment.:rofl:

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SO what is the back-up plan? If we stay, we can either be controlled or fight for our freedom. If we fight, we are going to need organization, communication and leadership to be successful. I just don't see it yet. How many would stand their ground and fight this thing to the end? How many are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice? It's a scary and uncertain situation that is approaching. Interesting times indeed, to say the least...

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Right after Season Six of American Idol maybe I can pencil-in one night per week. Can we get Mel Gibson to lead us? He was great in Braveheart!
:Sorry:

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If you have relatives in another country that will be your best bet but if America takes a dive I doubt it will be pleasant in many other countries either. I'm not trying to be arrogant just looking at the dollar as the world reserve currency and the implications of that on the world. I think Ponce had an idea, Cuba cause they are use to living without, except every Cuban I know here sends good ol FRNs to Cuba. There will not be a lot of safe places and if there are communications now days will prevent them from being a secret long. Did ya read the story LIGHTS OUT that Ponce posted some time back. I think the story line is plausible.

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My in-laws are from Buenos Aires. My wife and I took the kids there last year around this time. Very warm and friendly people. They don't shake hands. They give hugs and kiss you on the cheek. Now there are kidnappings, that part is true. But if you learn the language and have some connections there, it's not a problem. BTW, they are mostly european over there so it's not uncommon to see blonde and brown haired people. The funny thing is that they are the opposite of U.S. citizens. The Argentines will protest anything!

It was hilarious. One night we were watching the news while it was raining very hard. There were people in parts of the city walking around in waist deep water because the garbage workers were protesting over wages and left alot of trash in the streets. (Something I noticed as soon as I arrived) The garbage ended up clogging the drain pipes which caused the flooding. So one minute you see people walking around in waist deep water. Then it immediately flashes to a bunch of protestors in the subway blocking off a car in another protest. Classic. My brother-in-law was watching and laughing with me and knew enough english to say "we are f*&(ing crazy!"

Keep in mind that things are way different down there. But the Argentine people will not tolerate their government shoving them around. That is something we could learn from them. Also the Argentine people have a history of banks shutting down on them, so it's nothing new.

One more thing worth noting is that all the taxis and alot of private cars have converted engines that use compressed natural gas. It's super cheap and the mileage is higher. The only downside is that it wears out the engine quicker than petroleum based engines.

BUT THE SINGLE BEST REASON FOR FLEEING TO ARGENTINA IS THE WOMEN!!! MY GOD!!! Thankfully my wife was understanding enough not to break my neck. Of course I was doing that already from looking.

:tongue:

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$249,000 for 34 ha in Costa Rica !!! That's a bit overpriced. What, do think we are at $100/oz silver or something :rofl:

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I know leaving is the wimpy thing to do, but I am more worried about some sort of Draft. I can see Bush keeping the crap together through many, many wars. I am only 26 years old so I can see them getting to my age range fairly quickly.

I think Argentina is looking nicer and nicer. 96% of the people are from Europe and the other 4% are a native/european mix. Sounds like there are nice people too!

Cheers,
jeff

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Jeff,
I wouldn't blame anyone for going to Argentina to evade a draft if it comes to that because there is nothing patriotic about becoming cannon fodder for Israel's interests. Our troops are not dying for the best interests of America.
I don't think they will draft you, though. They will use "foreign assets" and younger draftees when the time comes. JMO.

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I don't think I will be leaving Amerika anytime soon. I really think that we will all have a chance to take back the country if the Fed loses control, inflation begins to morph into its steriod popping cousin hyper, and the Chinese stop buying debt. I think there is a fair chance some of our ruler will fuel up private jets to Central America and leave us swinging in the breeze.

Having a bug out residence is always great if financially possible. But I would rather something deep in the woods of North Carolina or Maine rather than have to worry about a completely different country where the locals will probably fight over who gets to kidnap me first. The rest of the world is not like America and Europe: they do not like foreigners coming in and making themselves at home. If someone were dead set on emigrating, Central America or Argentina would probably be the places to check out. I still think we have at least two solid years to make some money, get silver, and prepare for what is to come.

I have come to realize that as Patriots, we are ahead of 99.999% of the population and one side effect of this is that we will predict that certain things will happen a little bit too soon. This is natural because we see the writing on the wall and feel immediately threatened whereas the Illuminati will take whatever time it needs. For me, a lot hinges on whether these occultists truly believe they have have a large war before or during 2012. If they do, I estimate that we have until 2011 before we see war with China that will be meant to destroy what is left of America to make way for the One World Superstate. However, if 2012 is a ruse, we could buy some more time perhaps even into the 2020s. This latter model is the stair-step approach wherein ever so often a crisis will arise (9-11, Iraq, Iran) that prompts some immediate changes but life generally drifts onward. Eventually the fiat game will be up and they will revert to the control grid in place. At worst, I would say we have five years to prepare. I would stay stick around in the US but it is your call.

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I wouldn't leave unless the threat of nuclear war was very evident, then I'd be off to Italy or possibly Switzerland. Both have security, good schools, and nobody really hates them at the moment.

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One thing that Switzerland has, as a country, that no others do. They build underground tunnels, hospitals, factories and a lot of food and water. Heck, even the air force is dug deep, into the mountains. But the number one thing, that no others have, is underground shelter for all it's citizens. And those babies can take a nuclear hit and people will survive. The whole country is prepaired, for an attack. And they are ready @ a moments notice.
Not easy, to become a citizen though.

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I wouldn't want to be any place within marching distance of the middle east or China. What do you think all the Arabs are going to do when the oil runs out? They don't have water. They can't grow food. Their population is exploding. I want to put down some roots in a country with long term stability being possible, if it comes to that.

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Swiss....

Interesting, how sure are you about all their undersground life?

I guess is hard to travel the mountains, harder to conquer. How will they get their electricity, too many people packed in one place, troble sounds to me.

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:cool1: :cool1:
Columbia SA is a winner for me.
Spent a lot of time down there and used to speak fairly fluent Spanish.
A little rusty now.
What we consider middle class here in the US and Canada would translate into the upper rich class down there.
Bogota' is beautiful and surrounded by lots of gnarly jungle and mountains.Lots of places to run if it turns nasty.The whole country smells like pot and coffee. Paradise !! :coolbeer:
Gringo bashing is mild or non existant,they all seem to have the Jerry McGuire attitude "Show me the money". Never had any problems with the locals or doing business down there.The underground black market is probably larger than the entire GNP of the whole country,that's not a joke.
The drug trade is still alive and well,just stay out of Pablo's way and they will ignore you.Never felt in danger down there at any time.
Real estate is still cheap compared to Belize and Costa Rica and food will not be your problem.It's cheap and plentiful.
Government ? Sort of a semi democracy/drug cartel bipartisan system that is too busy with other problems to notice a few thousand gringo transplants wandering around in the jungle.They are used to seeing them and don't ask questions.Bottom line......they like anyone who has money.
I would seriously consider running there with my family if TSHTF.
:cool1: RiverRat

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I am with you...

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what about Switzerland or Liechtenstein?

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Jeff, Spain and Latin America are nice places to visit but I wouldnt want to live there. However it seems that much of Latin America is coming to the USA so I may have little choice in the matter. LOL

Anyhow, the survivalist notion of collapse is not going to happen. For years, going on decades, I have been listening to eschatalogical fantasies of Apocalypse from the usual suspects, ie, gun show vendors, dispensationalist Christians, nazis, etc. No offense intended to any of those if ye be here, but these are mostly fantasies. The "system" has been going strong for a long time and remains incredibly resilient. Whehter we like it or not!

As for the occasional disasters like the Great Depression, most people stayed in place.

The big disasters today are going on right under our noses.... I will leave it to other people to describe those. Most people have fled to a much closer place from those social upheavals: "the suburbs."

One more thought which other people alluded to. I am a native born White American English speaker and my ancestors watered this soil with their blood sweat and tears. I'm loathe to leave it and for my ancestors which came from Europe, they'd be sorely disappointed in me to ever leave.

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Question: How do you guys plan to arrive in another country with your ounces of gold, pounds of silver, and tons of pennies? Don't you think someone might notice?

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Since this is the Survival Prep Section of GIM...go for it.
:cheerful:

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Rat? C O L O M B I A .....not Culombia, your Spanish is rusty alright :love:

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I lived in Switzerland and therfore, know the facts. You can believe me, when I say, they are well prepered, for war, including nuclear.

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From what I've heard, Switzerland has bomb shelter occupancy for 110% of it's population and every male in society takes home his machine gun after serving his mandatory military service.

A fully armed, trained populous with bomb selter access - talk about a way to keep a country secure !!

In contrast - this country tries to restrict firearm possession, catch gun owners in violation of rediculous laws - thereby banning them for life from gun ownership, and labels those that build bomb shelters as paranoid extremists...all the while telling the population of the great muslim nuclear threat.

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What process did you have to go through to be able to live in Switzerland?

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An old friend of mine knew a guy who own his own little island(s), near Australia somewhere. He was an it-whiz kid, bragging about who had the most expensive watches and the best car etc etc all day long. The suddenly he said he would live more down to earth, he couldn't take the 'swinger' life anymore. Give to charity and things like that. The it boom was extremely big, you had to know when to bail out in 1999, dunno if he did that though...and now commodities boom.

When USA crashes Israel will problably be attacked/ in trouble. The arab countries like saudi arabia, Iran (duh) etc all want's Israel away from the map. They air anti-jew "shows", and soap operas, where jews are shown as murderers, thieves, conspiratorists, warmongerers etc u name it.

The antisemitism in RUSSIA is continuing to grow alot, racism and antisemitism is growing larger every day. If you are black or "red" or "yellow" or whatever there are people who will beat u down and the police isn't very helpful. Putin is a DICTATOR de facto. Fascism a la hitler isn't far away..(search on google on russian antisemtism or read a good newspaper)...and that doesn't look good for Israel.

However, im a christian, so all this isn't unexpected. There will be a battle, and the bible clearly says who will win. And it isn't the antisemitists/NWO.

China isn't a very nice country, however they will gain more power. More than the russians? who knows. All i know is that if China is world police, no i can't even imagine how the world would look...:thumpdown

"He (the Beast) also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name." -Revelation 13

My stomach says not even switzerland will be excepted from the coming world order, im ifraid. :banghead:

Better make my own country.....i'll call it Exception island so the big guys understand.

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Ok here's my top four.

1. physical threat posed by violent crime committed by all the scum allowed to run free in our cities, along with the economic and social costs of relocation 'to the suburbs'

2. invasion of USA by third worlders

3. destruction of Western Traditions and social institutions and culture.

4. massive in-utero infanticide of millions of my tribe ie White Americans since Roe V Wade resulting in demographic decline and consequent loss of social economic and political power.

So, with those disasters already well underway, why wait for later to migrate to Switzerland? If you can find a job there, it's probably the best place to be outside the USA especially for goldbugs and gun-nuts. Good luck getting permanent residency however, they are not quite so foolish with their immigration laws as Americans have been.

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I like the way you think. Welcome to GIM!
:beer:

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NO PLACE TO HIDE, GO NO WHERE.

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The US is the end customer supporting alot of other countries economies. There may be alot of places in South or Central America that you might prefer to live, or might suffer less than the US if the US hits big economic trouble. But seems like almost all North and South America would feels the pain.

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If you're going to go, it's better to go now, B4 TSHTF & TEOTWAWKI IMHO, because once J6P wakes up in America, he will be angry about high gas prices and wanting some government, any government, to help him survive. The transportation and food-production infrastructures, totally dependent on petroleum, will be deeply screwed.

I vote Australia, NZ, Europe, or Asia. And go now, not later. Aussie/NZ/Europe gun laws are a bit of a downer, as an earlier poster said. Look for places which are built so that you don't need a car to do everything, and aren't dependent on energy-intensive public water projects or depleting aquifers. That is, get out of Las Vegas and Phoenix AZ now!

But you can seriously get lost in Oz, and, though they have water resource problems, they have plenty to drink and feed the population. And the Uranium deposits can't be beat! (Unfortunately, some Chinese in high places know that as well...sigh.)

I think you can do well if you stay put or leave, but the deciding factor is your social connections. Can you, for example, rely on friends/neighbors to give you helpful suggestions, when, saay, your septic system goes on the blink and you think it's going to cost $18000 to repair it? Not that this would ever happen, because you're totally self-reliant and live on a compound with video surveillance and several hundred gallons of gasoline in reserve.

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It helped, that I was born there.

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How about New Zealand?
Far away from everything..and i think guns are legal.
Correct me if I'm wrong